A
Creationist refers me to a book by the biologist Douglas Joel
Futuyma http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0878931872
The
Creationist thought this book supported the idea that evolution did
not account for consciousness. So I had to explain...
Creationist: Evolution
cannot acount for everything. And it certainly can't account for
universal beliefs. Here's a quote
from a book: Evolution, by Douglas J. Futuyma. It’s a superb text,
authoritative and well written.
[Darwin's]
alternative to intelligent design was design by the completely
mindless process of natural selection, according to which organisms
possessing variations that enhance survival or reproduction replace
those less suitably endowed, which therefore survive or reproduce in
lesser degree. This process cannot have a goal, any more than erosion
has the goal of forming canyons, for the future cannot cause material
events in the present. Thus the concepts of goals or purposes have no
place in biology (or any other of the natural sciences), except in
studies of human behavior. (p. 282)
And another quote from the same book referring to an experiment in bacteria:
This experiment conveys the essence of natural selection: it is a
completely mindless process without forethought or goal. (p. 285)
JimC: You've
provided a superb summary of natural selection from Futuyama. His
text books are excellent. I'm hugely reassured that you're reading
his work. But I can't relate your comments about the evolution of a
conscious to Futuyama's text. What makes you think evolution cannot
account for a conscious? The mechanism for evolution of empathy,
guilt and the other things that we know as "having a conscious"
is the same mechanism as the evolution of any other attribute of
life.
Let's
ask Douglas J Futuyma ...
Question
When
we refer to humans, can natural selection explain how something like
the human brain, associated with consciousness and the mind, can come
about? Or are these questions outside the realm of biology?
Futuyama
Well,
it must be one of the most difficult questions that has to be
explained but any phenomenon obviously deserves to be explained.
There are things that don’t exist in the DNA, which are
nevertheless the products of biological processes like cell membrane
structure. I think the ability to reflect on ourselves, which I guess
is part of what you call consciousness or intelligence, will result
out of processes that natural selection seems to favour. The argument
here is that in social species (such as ants, wasps, primates that
cooperate with one another) there are more and more opportunities for
intelligence to be exercised.
I
also recommend reading Frans de Waal's evidence of the evolution of
emotions, which was inspired by his work with primates and which
expands on the principle Futuyama refers to. Essentially, humans (and
primates) are social creatures with behaviour that can be costly to
the individual but useful to the groups with large numbers of such
individuals do better than those without. Therefore, the "social"
groups expand over time at the expense of the groups that are
composed of selfish individuals.
Here's
a fairly detailed article by De Waal...
...and
a brief extract...
So,
how and why would this trait have evolved in humans and other
species? Empathy probably evolved in the context of the parental care
that characterizes all mammals. Signaling their state through smiling
and crying, human infants urge their caregiver to take action. This
also applies to other primates. The survival value of these
interactions is evident from the case of a deaf female chimpanzee I
have known named Krom, who gave birth to a succession of infants and
had intense positive interest in them. But because she was deaf, she
wouldn’t even notice her babies’ calls of distress if she sat
down on them. Krom’s case illustrates that without the proper
mechanism for understanding and responding to a child’s needs, a
species will not survive.
During
the 180 million years of mammalian evolution, females who responded
to their offspring’s needs out-reproduced those who were cold and
distant. Having descended from a long line of mothers who nursed,
fed, cleaned, carried, comforted, and defended their young, we should
not be surprised by gender differences in human empathy, such as
those proposed to explain the disproportionate rate of boys affected
by autism, which is marked by a lack of social communication skills.
Empathy
also plays a role in cooperation. One needs to pay close attention to
the activities and goals of others to cooperate effectively. A
lioness needs to notice quickly when other lionesses go into hunting
mode, so that she can join them and contribute to the pride’s
success. A male chimpanzee needs to pay attention to his buddy’s
rivalries and skirmishes with others so that he can help out whenever
needed, thus ensuring the political success of their partnership.
Effective cooperation requires being exquisitely in tune with the
emotional states and goals of others.
Back
to your comments on evolution...
Evolution
doesn't explain "thought processes". Neuroscience explains
thought processes, and how they arise from a brain. Evolution
explains how our brains evolved, along with the the aspects of life,
including behaviour.
Some
cultures did indeed kill babies. They didn't kill babies for fun, but
let's put that to one side. As I've explained elsewhere, they did
this for superstitious reasons, as a way of pleasing the gods,
improving crops or the weather and so on. It didn't give them an
advantage and it's another example of human behaviour being corrupted
when a few powerful people take control, for example a tribal priest
claiming authority due to his "knowing" what the gods want
and imposing his abnormal ideas on the rest of the group.
Killing
your enemies and stealing their stuff might give you a short term
advantage, but it's not sustainable and is self defeating, as history
shows and as DeWaal explains (see above)
Blind
forces (whatever they are) don't place your emotions inside you. I
think we agree on that? Blind forces don't have goals or forethought
(or thoughts). Your emotions haven't been "placed" - they
have evolved over millions of years by the process of natural
selection. Natural selection doesn't have a goal in the same way that
photosynthesis doesn't have a goal. It is a natural process.
I'm still unclear about this HMFR mechanism that you refer to. What I don't get is how the explanation for morality affects moral behaviour. I think you're saying that we all share the same "moral knowledge" which is inbuilt into everyone, but we seem to be disagreeing on the explanations for the source of this "moral knowledge" (some explanations are religious, some are biological). To use your words... "My Source is God. So is yours. I acknowledge it. You don't. It's as simple as that."
So
my question is this: How does the explanation (or acknowledgement) of
moral belief affect someone's moral behaviour? For example, a
thunderstorm can have a natural explanation and a supernatural
explanation. But the effect of the thunderstorm is the same,
regardless of which explanation I acknowledge or don't.
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